Love as a Resilience Strategy with Dr. Trish Berg

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Dr. Trish Berg
A lot of times we think once we achieve something, then we'll be happy, right? So once I get that promotion, then I'll be happy. Once I graduate from college, then I'll be happy. And happiness is always on that other side of the goalpost. But what happens is we reach it, and then we just reset a new goalpost. So we never get to happy.

Jeff Ma
Hello, and welcome to Love as a Business Strategy, a podcast that brings humanity to the workplace. We're here to talk about business. But we want to tackle topics that most business leaders shy away from and we believe that humanity and love should be at the center of every successful business. I'm your host, Jeff Moss and today I'm joined by longtime co hosts but been a while since you've been here. Mohammad Anwar, what's up Moh? How's it going,

Mohammad Anwar
man? It's going good, Jeff. Glad to be back. Yeah,

Jeff Ma
I dragged you back onto the show and said it's been too long. And I need you back. And it's also because we have a special guest we have Dr. Trish Berg here with us today. And Dr. Dr. Berg is currently a professor of business at Heidelberg University. And she's had an incredible career of over 25 years in university education, during which she's earned numerous accolades such as three time nominee for the job as the Educator of the Year Award, winner of the Christian Business Faculty National Teaching Award, etc, etc. I have a whole bunch of notes here can't read them all. Which is also published published author of two books co author of four books, I just my notes page, I have to scroll it. So I'm gonna save all that y'all can look that up. But Dr. Berg, thank you so much for joining us Trish.

Dr. Trish Berg
Thanks for having me. Got it. Just my head gets big or I feel really old one of those two things a long time.

Jeff Ma
Trish, we do a very awkward icebreaker here intentionally every time. But you're lucky because if it was just you and me, I would just make you do it. But because most here, he has to go first. Moh when you die, what do you want to be remembered for? Whoa, boom, just like that. We're in the show. We've begun Oh, he's deep in thought.

Mohammad Anwar
That's a deep question you just asked I'd This is not ready for that.

Jeff Ma
It's been a while since you've been on the show. We go deep now. Uh What are what's one thing you like?

Mohammad Anwar
I think the book Love is a Business Strategy is you know, it's kind of cliche to say, like, I want my legacy to live on. But really, if anything, I think I, I think the book is the way to live on, even after I'm gone. So I think remembering me to the book would be probably what I would hope for, at least at this stage in my life.

Jeff Ma
I mean, the book paints you in some not so good light. So I mean, that's what if that's what you but I'm just kidding. I agree. I do. That's a good answer. Cool. Trish? What? Same question when you die, what do you want to be remembered for?

Dr. Trish Berg
Now, ironically, I have thought about this because even though I'm a positive person, and I believe in resiliency, I've mentally plan my funeral several times, just for kicks and giggles. So I just hope that people remember me as someone who loved other people encouraged other people, when I meet someone or teach a student more than the content, I hope they feel better about themselves than when then before they were with me. So just that I loved on other people

Jeff Ma
love it. Wow. Simple, powerful. And kind of segues into I guess how I want to start the conversation is, you know, as almost expounding on that, can you tell me a little more detail about your passion and where it comes from?

Dr. Trish Berg
Yeah, so I went back to school to get my doctorate at 40 years old. So I was a mother for my husband was so gracious my husband, Mike and supported that 100% Because I wanted to teach full time at that stage in my life. So when I went back to school and started doing actual research, because prior to that I really hadn't done a lot of significant research and focus my dissertation on the topic of psychological capital, which is basically a form of positive psychology. And through that research really was attracted to resiliency. It's one of the four components of psychological capital, and it's one that we have shown in research can be improved. And then can have this really great impact on things like health and grit and well being. So that's kind of what brought me into resiliency was just starting to research it from an organizational behavior standpoint. And then really feeling passionate about this is something that can change people's lives. This is something that is really not complicated to do, but can have a lasting impact.

Jeff Ma
And just so we're all speaking the same language, can you define resiliency, in your terms, the best in the simplest way possible?

Dr. Trish Berg
Yeah, resiliency is bouncing back after a failure, a plateau or even a success. Because even a success can cause you to kind of freeze up. So if you get a promotion, and the promotion means more responsibility and more travel and more subordinates. And that's intimidating. And so you have to be resilient, even in that state. Right. So it's not just about failure, though. We tend to think of failure most with resiliency. But it's in simple terms, the ability to bounce back. So you don't make the basketball team. What do you do? You get laid off at work? What do you do? And it's just that bouncing back in the moment.

Jeff Ma
That's amazing. I have yet to use resume admittedly have not used resiliency after positive changes yet. And that makes perfect sense. So already, my mind is blown.

Mohammad Anwar
Yeah, Jeff, just just to caryy back on that. Like, I think I've used complacency after success. Don't get complacent. Just because we reached access, we cannot lose, you know, our focus, but I never used it in the positive sense of resiliency. That's it. Yeah.

Dr. Trish Berg
And one of the researchers that I follow His name's Shawn Achor. And he talks a lot about moving the target. So you talk about complacency after success, Moh. But a lot of times, we think once we achieve something, then we'll be happy, right? So once I get that promotion, then I'll be happy. Once I graduate from college, then I'll be happy. And happiness is always on that other side of the goalpost. But what happens as we reach it, and then we just reset a new goalpost, so we never get too happy. And one of the things that if you can be resilient and kind of retrain your brain to find that positivity and that happiness, wherever you are, you actually we'll have more success. So our brains at positive, are 31% more effective than our brains at negative, neutral or stressed. And that's from Shawn Achor. So, in fact, doctors are 19% more effective and accurate when they're positive in their thought process. So it's very powerful. Our brains are amazing things, and we are in control of them. You know, it's not something that controls us. So we can make the choices as to how to handle things, how to think about things, and then find that success through being positive in the present.

Mohammad Anwar
Wow. So in simplistic terms, then, is it fair to say resiliency is directly proportional to positivity?

Dr. Trish Berg
Yeah. So, positivity, one of the ways to define positivity is so called psychological capital. And it has four components, hope, efficacy, resiliency, and optimism. So those four components, they spell hero, if you're looking for an acronym, Oh, nice. Um, those four components make up psychological capital, which is the technical definition of positivity, one of Yes.

Mohammad Anwar
One of the attributes of positivity

Dr. Trish Berg
Yeah, yeah.

Mohammad Anwar
Okay. Very cool.

Jeff Ma
Well, that's the whole show. We've got plenty to think about. I got a process this, I'll be back next week. No, this is, I love it. I love it. This is already profound in so many ways. And I'm sure we'll, we'll be touching about resiliency the whole time. But I'm also curious how this all kind of how this all incorporates into kind of what you do currently. So I know you you've, you've got education in like Business and Management, things like that. And then you've worked in in the workforce in so many different places. And now you're in education and mentoring all these things throughout. How does that all connect? Like how are you what's the connective tissue here for you?

Dr. Trish Berg
I think for me, and it's funny because I talk to my students about the why. And that's a big thing that I try to get them to focus on Simon Sinek and the Golden Circle, and what's your why. And so whatever job I've had, my why is always about the people on when I worked in real estate. You know, when I worked in banking, the different jobs that I had, even when I was writing books, I was speaking at women's conferences across the country. And it's always about that connection with the people. So for me, that's kind of the common thread. But I also try to teach my students that you don't have to stay in one lane. I think, you know, students come in at 1817, or 18, as a freshman in college, and they're expected to know their major, and what career they want. And, I mean, that's young, you know, I'm still figuring it out. So I try to use my life as an example of a very jagged career path, you know, I've done very different things, it has not been a straight path. And I also do diverse things, you know, the books that I wrote, have nothing to do with business. So, you know, that was a passion of mine, when I was raising children, I wrote about motherhood and Christmas. And those were things at that time in my life that I was really passionate about. That doesn't discount what I now do as a business faculty, you know, so we can, you can be an accountant, and an artist, you know, you can have these diverse passions and be successful in various ways. And so, an education, I get a little frustrated when we funnel these kids in, and we kind of put them in a path. And I tried to break that mold a little bit. And try to teach them to, you know, understand that there's multiple ways they can go.

Jeff Ma
That's really powerful for me, because what you said about resiliency earlier was profound. And to me, connecting the two is so important now, because I myself have encountered so many people in the workforce who basically define themselves by their educational path by their one craft by their one most important talent. And they box themselves in there. And based on how you talk about resiliency, they're like, there's no, there's no was it psychological capital at the end of that road, right? Because they're like, if I can just if I can just become manager, a director, if I can just become a VP, if I can just become a president. I mean, where's where does it end to achieve that happiness, and it sounds like starting from colleges, where it kind of at least, kind of begins because we're like, pick a major is like the only thing you got to be good at for the rest of your life. Kind of how it feels. So that's really, really crazy to think about.

Dr. Trish Berg
Yeah, and I've always taught at liberal arts university. So we do have, you know, liberal arts courses, but I still feel like it's very tunneled.

Mohammad Anwar
Mm hmm. Trish, I was gonna ask you, so what, what is the? Can you give some tips or advice on how somebody can build upon their resiliency? What are some advice? or tips or tools or ideas do you have for that? Can you share that, please?

Dr. Trish Berg
Yeah. So back in 2017, a colleague of mine and I did some research on freshmen and seniors at a university. And we introduced them to a simple acronym, a simple way for steps to increase resiliency. It's based on a lot of research and all four of these areas. But it's a simple way to start. And what we showed and I'll share that is called the Flex Plan. And I'll share that here with you guys. But what it did, what we were able to show is that it helped the students increase their resiliency anywhere from about 10% to 35%, in one semester, based on a brief resilience scale. So it was it was profound and exciting, which was great. Now, the downside is, with resiliency, you need booster shots, right? We've all been talking about shots with COVID. You need a booster shot of resiliency, it's not a one and done, you know, you can't just increase it, forget about it, and you're good to go. So, the Flex Plan is what we created and it's FLEX like flexibility. And F stands for failure. And part of what we start with is making sure that students understand failure is going to happen and failure is a part of life and growth and is expected and if you don't fail, you're not trying. So it's that expectation. It's removing the fear of failure. You know, how to get rid of that stigmatism that failure is bad. So that's step one, the L is lean into the emotion. And that's about allowing yourself to experience when you fail, the sadness, the anger, the frustration, whatever emotions you're going through, in a safe place with appropriate people, let yourself go through that emotion, you can't just say it doesn't matter, it's not a big deal, right? We all are emotional beings. And you need to allow yourself to go through that the E is elect a positive response. And it's all about understanding that you cannot always choose what happens to you. Sometimes it's your fault, sometimes not. But you can always choose your response. And that's about giving people the control to understand that I am in control of that response. It is my choice how I respond. And then the X is X ray. And that's about being transparent. So once you failed, you've allowed yourself to go through the emotion, you've chosen a positive response. So you've gone through those three stages. At some point, you need to be transparent about that failure with someone else. It might be about supporting someone else, it might be about encouraging someone else. But we tend to put a facade out there, because we want everyone to think we're perfect. And the reality is we're not. And when other people think we're perfect, it doesn't help them because they know they're not. So that transparency. And I'll give you a couple of examples. And I'll be real open, I'm a transparent person, my students probably know me better than almost anybody because I I'm real open with them. So when I went back to school for my doctorate, I was at an in person University, Anderson University in Indiana. And it was a four year program. And I should say leading up to that I actually taught economics as an adjunct for 17 years. So I knew economics pretty well. At the end of the program, you took four comprehensive exams before doing dissertation, I was more nervous about the accounting, finance comprehensive exam. But unfortunately, I didn't pass the economics comprehensive exam. And that was like a gut punch, you know, because I knew it, I missed one key graph in the in the comprehensive exam. So I had to retake it, but you're supposed to wait a year. And long story short, I was able to retake it in a couple months, and I was able to pass it. Now that was after, I'd say a couple months of shedding some tears, for sure.

In between that, I went to a conference with a lot of business colleagues. And I was very embarrassed, I didn't want anyone to ask me how do your exams go? You know, I was just very embarrassed about it. One professor came up to me, and he's very well known. He's written books. You know, he's someone that's very advanced in his career. And he said, Trish, how did your exams go? And, you know, my head went down, and he put his arm around me, and he walked me to the corner, and he said, what happened? And I told him, and he looked at me, and he said, Trish, I failed an exam for comprehensive, you just retake it, like, it's all good. And him sharing that, like, gave me the confidence to petition the school retake it, and have that confidence back. I didn't feel like a slug under a rock anymore. And it was because he had enough confidence to be transparent with me. And so that's something we share. And I've told my students this story, because I don't think that vulnerability, and I know you talk about vulnerability a lot in your book as well. It doesn't make me weaker, it makes me stronger. And I'm very vulnerable with with my students, because I want them to be as well.

Mohammad Anwar
No, this is a I, I'm listening to this. And I'm like, Oh, this is like a therapeutic session for me. To share this, you have no idea because, you know, we go through this at work too. Like there's so many times as a leader or as a team member, we go through failures. And, you know, sometimes we get stuck in the head, so much about the failure that we're not able to pull ourselves out of it. And, you know, while you've shared this, this FLEX philosophy, which by the way, I I didn't think of flexible I thought of flexing muscles, but anyway, that's a different thing altogether. But that's how I remember it. But it's it's so important for us to recognize that failures are the path to success and they think Something else you just shared in your story that I'm really resonating with is, us as leaders have the responsibility to create an environment where we can show the rest of the team that it's okay to fail by, by putting ourselves not not failing on purpose, but sharing our failures, transparently allowing us to share it for our own health reasons. But also for others to see, oh, wait, I have the permission too, I can fail and still be okay, and still be successful. So I think that was very important. So I appreciate you sharing that, that's I will remember flex now.

Dr. Trish Berg
I think it makes us stronger, just like flexibility. You stretch your muscles before you exercise. We have to do that with our brains. Because it's a thought process, you know, and it's really getting a hold of that, getting that power back. So you're taking the power back away from the failure, and you're owning it, and then coming out stronger.

Mohammad Anwar
So can I ask you a question like with today's environment, and you know, it COVID And some of the burden and stress it's put on people's lives or certain industries like the frontline workers, and, you know, we talk about resilience in that context. But the way that I feel it's, it's perceived is all about just putting in the hours and putting in the hard work. But I've not heard of any failures as it relates to resilience. So is that my mis perception of what they're trying to portray as resilience with the frontline workers versus a true resilient definition that I just heard? Or is it the same as a different? Can you help me understand?

Dr. Trish Berg
So? Maybe I'm not sure I understand your question. So frontline workers showing resilience going through COVID? Is that what you're talking about? Well,

Mohammad Anwar
yes. Like, like how the world is talking about, you know, the frontline workers are so resilient, putting in the extra hours taking the extra burden. Yeah, putting in all of that extra effort to be in the front line. And they're the heroes and all of that, is that what is that? Is that resilience as well? Or is it is it like and how does that differ from resilience from bouncing back from failure versus putting in just that extra work? What is there a difference between the two?

Dr. Trish Berg
It's still resiliency, what you're talking about is the frontline workers. There's courage in there, too. You know, before we had vaccines before, we really knew what we were dealing with. Nurses and doctors and health care workers were on the frontlines caring for people putting themselves at risk. So there's a lot of, you know, courage in what they did. But resiliency would come into play that they in the face of fear, right, they went beyond it. So they got up every day, no matter what was going on, and they did their job. So that still resiliency, that could be maybe the plateau. It could be instead of a failure, a challenge. Right? So there's they're being resilient in the face of a challenge.

Mohammad Anwar
Got it? No, thank you for that clarification, because that's what I was struggling with. Like, okay, so is that resiliency or bravery? Like, what is it and you're helping me understand that resiliency is not just to do with failure, it could be courage, challenge or coming a challenge and, and all of the above, okay, that's the

Dr. Trish Berg
courage can come into play too, with trying something new, right? If you fail at something, sometimes the right response is to try it again. You know, with my exam, I had to do it again and do it better. Sometimes it's making a 90 degree turn and going in a different direction, you know, so it's not always necessarily going the same way. And trying again, it just depends on your space. There's no right answer to that bouncing back. It depends on your situation, and what you're facing.

Jeff Ma
And what you said, just there helps me understand that resiliency after success much better, because now it's like, Hey, I just did something. It was great. Do I have the courage to try something different? Even though I know this works? Like I could get comfortable now and go with what just happened? Or can I have that that that not not be afraid of failing and still push harder and go even beyond what I just did?

Dr. Trish Berg
Yeah, and accurate. That is very accurate. And the fear of failure is what holds us back from those things. Um, a friend of mine who worked at American Greetings, and I've told her many times I stole this from her. She used to talk about hiring people who could ship it. So when they fail, oh, shoot, I better pivot Ah word, well, I wasn't gonna cause he has to use the other word, I'm going to say shoot. But she worked with all the creative designs in American Greetings. And so she hired creative people all the time. And a lot of their designs were failures. And so she talked about, I don't hire anyone who can't ship it. That was bottom line. So you know, you want people who have failed, and have found a way to bounce back. And I'll just share a personal story, my oldest daughter, who's now 26, when she was a freshman in high school, she had played on a travel basketball team where you try out and make it. So the first year she was on a great team. The second year, she went to try out she didn't make a team. And she was crying up in her bedroom. And I went up and I said, Hannah, I know this is frustrating. And she's she's very strong, academic, very athletic things came easy to her. And she said, Mom, this is the first time that I haven't gotten something I wanted. And I said, well, then it's about time. So this is a good thing. Now, what do you want to do about it? Do you want to quit? Do you want to find another team to try out for like, what do you want to do? And she said, I'd like to find another team. And we did, she tried out, she made it. And this is how I know God has a sense of humor, because then her new team played her old team in a weekend tournament and beat them by a lot. That was like, that was awesome. That's amazing. It was good for her to face that, you know, and she's an a full time occupational therapist. So she's, you know, gone to grad school, had to take many exams, that failure has helped her face these other failures, you know, your life is a training ground. So even with our kids, we have to allow them to fail. So that they can feel that failure, and then figure out how to choose the response.

Mohammad Anwar
Got it? That's, I was gonna ask. So I know, in a corporate context, you know, individual to individuals, and how we interact with each other, there's this ability for us to either, you know, help elevate that resilience, or bring it down, right? Like, it's really how we respond to failure is going to propel it or like, take us down even further. But how do you anticipate us building like systems around resilience? Have you thought about that? Like, are there ways to process fi resilience or bring tools or systems to bring out resilience?

Dr. Trish Berg
I think that in organizational structures, there has to be a way that failure is a part of the process. So and I know in an organizational setting, failure can be very expensive, you know, depending on on what the failure is. But I think there needs to be a process where it's learned from and people are able to go through that experience, grow and come out stronger with a better idea. I mean, one of the videos I show my students in marketing is like the 20 biggest failures of advertising or, you know, there's failures all over, right? I mean, New Coke was not a good one. But I think we learn as we fail. So process wise, I think if the organization can, and I think you guys are doing that, that's one of the things that attracted me to Love as a Business Strategy. When I, when I picked it up and thought about using it for a class was, you have some structure in place, and resiliency is a part of that. So having a culture where failure is a part of the process, and the employees see themselves not Haha, you failed, I'm better than you. But okay, as a team, how can we support you and move forward from here? And it all comes down to that, that culture?

Mohammad Anwar
Got it. Awesome. Thank you. Since

Jeff Ma
that makes a lot of sense. No, I think that that's why the book is so good, because it's just full of failures.

Mohammad Anwar
know, right? That's, that's all I think I remember Trish telling me once and why she thought a book was interesting for a business book, anything it had to do with failures.

Dr. Trish Berg
You know, what it was when I actually compared your book to numerous other books when I was choosing about a year ago, and your vulnerability and your honesty in that book is what drew me to it, that and that resiliency was a part of your culture, and your secret sauce, but um, you know, a lot of times you pick up a business book and a market book and it's written in the context Here's all the answers. You know, here's everything you need. It's a set formula, and then you'll be successful. And it's a lot more complicated than that. And so I appreciated the stories. And I think for students, as they read stories, I'm a big storyteller. You know, I believe in it as a cultural benefit. And I think that as they read your stories, what you experienced and what you learned, comes to life.

Jeff Ma
Okay, just for my own curiosity, because when we, when we wrote the book, we definitely had, you know, kind of a base audience in mind, like the business person, if you will. I'm really curious from your perspective, like, what do you like? How is this landing with students are really, how are students consuming this that you might think are different from people in the workforce? You know, they haven't they haven't been there yet. So what does this book mean to them?

Dr. Trish Berg
I think that it surprises them a little bit, when they read about the stories like when you share your story of your darkest day, when you share some of the challenges you faced, that actually catches them more than here's the positive, you know, because you're right, they don't have that work experience, for the most part. They haven't been in large organizations. So they are coming from a different perspective into it. They don't necessarily have personal experience with what you're discussing. But we do kind of go through the roleplay. About if you were fired, if you were laid off, how would you want it to be handled? You know, put them in the position? So we talked a little bit about that. But I think they take it from the standpoint of wow, I didn't know that's how it was done. You know, that's, that's interesting that that's how companies they I don't think ever would have thought that's how layoffs should have been done. When you talked about here's how it's done. Here's what the consultants are telling me, this is how I should do it. I think that's surprising for them.

Jeff Ma
No, thank you for that. Didn't mean to make us truly just curious didn't mean to make it about the book. Talk here to talk about our book. Go ahead. I think yeah, something.

Mohammad Anwar
No, I was also gonna talk about like, grit. And, you know, I, you know, being a man. And it's like this thing about being strong and like having that grit and not giving up. Can you help me understand? Where is that in? Correlation to resiliency?

Dr. Trish Berg
Yeah, that's a great question. And grit is passion and perseverance for long term goals. So that's how grid is defined. So resiliency is bouncing back in the moment from a failure, success, plateau. And grit is passion and perseverance for long term goals. So grit actually has three components, and one is passionate interest. One is long term goals, and one is resiliency. So resiliency is a component of grit. And as you become more resilient in the short term, that will hopefully help you become grittier. Angela Duckworth out of University of Pennsylvania is a phenomenal researcher on grit, and has some great research in that area. For anyone who wants more information on grit. They've done a lot of studies. Of course, the nice thing now that I'm getting older, you actually get grittier as you get older. Because you've been through a lot. And you know, the sun comes up the next day, and you know, you'll get through it. So as we age, we get a little grittier. The goal is to try to increase that when we're younger.

Mohammad Anwar
Got it? And another area I'm curious is how do you see like, empathy, play in with resiliency or supporting one another? Like, for example, if someone is failing, or someone is giving up or not having that grit? How do you think people can support each other in that regard to bring up that grit on resiliency? Yeah, what are your thoughts?

Dr. Trish Berg
So many years ago, I'll share a little story that relates to that. Probably 15 years ago, I had a student who was one of my favorite students, great young man, and he plagiarised a paper. And when I saw that my heart sank. I was like, Oh my gosh, like I don't want to deal with this. I love this kid. Bye. I have to call him out on this. So I had him come in, in my office, we talked about it, he cried, I cried. And I told him, I said, Listen, this doesn't define you, unless you let it define you. So if you use this as a learning curve moment to make changes, it's not going to define who you are. I gave him a zero on that, which brought in a student down to a B or a C, right. So there were consequences, of course. But before he graduated, about a year later, he reached out to me and wanted to meet for coffee. And we did. And we cried again, because he thanked me. He said, You were the first person to hold me accountable. He's very smart, he got away with a lot of stuff. And he said, I wanted to thank you that changed my life. And this young man and I are still friends, he's in his 30s. He's a great guy. But I shared that story in class this week, with my current students, because I wanted them to understand failure doesn't define you, even when it's your fault. Unless you let it define you. And after class, I had a young man here at Heidelberg, just come up to me and thank me. And he gave me a hug. And he said, I really needed to hear that today. So empathy comes into play. Because when someone fails, there's always accountability. I am a believer of accountability. But you allow that empathy to shine through as well so that you love the person, even though you don't like maybe what they did in that moment. And again, it comes back to love, you know, showing that empathy is someone who needs empathy at that moment, you know, people need to hear that. And so I'm just sharing that yesterday, and having this young man come up to me just made my week I was like, That's awesome that I got to lift him up a little, I've no idea what's going on in his current life. But he just thanked me. He said he needed to hear it. So again, hopefully go back to our icebreaker. That's the thing I want to be remembered for, you know, that someone needed to hear something positive. And I was able to do that for them.

Mohammad Anwar
While you're making my week, so here we go. All of that because I think one of the struggles that I'm personally facing out speak for myself is like I do struggle sometimes with balancing love, empathy, and accountability. Like how do I speak to my team and help hold them accountable for like, certain inactions or certain results that we are not aspiring for. And I feel very guilty at times when I'm like, trying to hold my team accountable. And then I walk by Maybe I was too hard on them. Maybe I shouldn't have said that. Maybe. I don't know if this is a good thing. I did this and they keep doubting myself. But hearing this story from you is like giving me confidence that in the moment, it's probably hard to to hold the person you care for to accountability for those results. But at the end of the day, if you do it, empathetically, you can guide the team to come out of it and being be resilient and bounce back from that failure. But but at the same time, like I feel like as a leader, you have to have courage to do that. Yeah, it has I am scared to practice.

Dr. Trish Berg
But you guys are both parents, right? You both have kids, okay? You hold your children accountable. You know, my kids are all old adults now in their 20s. But raising young children. You know, I remember many times when there was a timeout or a sent to your bedroom, or whatever the conversation we would have with our kids after that consequences. I held you accountable because I love you. Because if I didn't love you, I wouldn't care how you behaved. I wouldn't care that you were disrespectful. But because I love you. I'm going to hold you accountable. And so I think it goes hand in hand and you can do it. It's your approach too Moh. You know, are you doing it in that empathetic way where you're not not letting anger guide you?

Mohammad Anwar
Agreed? And true story. One time I tried to share exactly what you shared and they told me but I'm not your kid. Seriously, I would like responded. I was like, oh, yeah, okay, that's like, yeah, got a point. Yeah, but I since then have shifted to try and use that same concept. But from a coach to a athlete. Yes. Like we're a team. Yes, I'm your coach. I am going to hold you accountable. If you miss that opportunity to make a play. I am going to call it out so that you can do better next time. So I've had to switch that because I've got an actual response today, believe it or not, there's a lot of Reddit posts and stuff like, Oh, that's a red flag if someone sees, you know, practicing a family type examples, people are away from it. Yeah. No. I'm in alignment with you, but unfortunately, yeah, like, it doesn't sit well sometimes because you've lived but I'm not your child. So don't treat me like

Dr. Trish Berg
one right? And they want and they want that respect as an adult, right. They're older, and they're an adult. And that's totally understandable. You know, on a basketball team, if a player gets four fouls in the second quarter or third quarter, well, they're gonna have to sit the bench, you know exactly yet, you can't allow them to fall out if they're your best shooter. So you hold them accountable for getting those fouls by pulling them out sitting on the bench. But that doesn't mean you love them any less, you know, and then when you can get them in. So it's, you know, there's a lot of analogies you can use, but I would be in favor of accountability with empathy. But I think the minute I've had bosses that don't hold people accountable in my work history, and when you have a leader who does not hold people accountable, it creates a very toxic culture. So you definitely need to keep accountability as a part of it.

Jeff Ma
Absolutely. Well, Trish, this has been a journey, a wonderful conversation.

Mohammad Anwar
I think we need to do many more podcasts. I'm not.

Jeff Ma
I can tell. I can tell.

Dr. Trish Berg
I'll come back anytime you want me to come back, guys. This has been a lot of fun.

Jeff Ma
Yeah, this is really, really good. And it's given me a lot to think about, I can tell Moh's just live thinking with us. And I'm sure the audience is the same way. So Trish, thank you so much for taking the time today and sharing all this wisdom with us. It was really, really insightful.

Dr. Trish Berg
Well, thanks for having me. I just one more thing I want to share when I started this a few years ago, and it's a small thing. And I think we can start with those small things. When I respond to a student email, every time the signature is cheering you on, Dr. Berg, because I want them to understand I'm on their team. And it's made a difference in my student rapport and in how they respond to those challenges. So just a little thing can make a difference.

Jeff Ma
Oh, yeah, language matters for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Mohammad Anwar
Thank you. Trish, I learned a lot from this podcast, I continue to learn and I'm so glad that there are other people out there such as yourself doing research and trying to like evaluate this from, you know, a scientific process. And I think it just continues to validate that in the practical world, this has so much applicability so thank you for that.

Dr. Trish Berg
Well, thank you guys. I like I said I showed my book with all my post, it's like it's highlighted like crazy. And when I see you, I'm gonna make y'all sign it. But I I've learned a lot from the book and just from getting to know you both as well. So greatly appreciate the connection.

Jeff Ma
Absolutely. And to our listeners, thank you as always, please continue to tune in. Trish has done a great job of plugging for me but please check out our book, still available on Amazon Best Selling on other retailers as well and subscribe to our podcast, rate it give us feedback, all those good things, tell a friend. And with that, we'll see you next Wednesday.

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EPISODE 183

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EPISODE 182

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EPISODE 180

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EPISODE 178

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EPISODE 174

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EPISODE 173

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EPISODE 171

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EPISODE 170

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EPISODE 169

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Love as a Listening Strategy with Noah Asher

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EPISODE 168

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EPISODE 166

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EPISODE 163

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EPISODE 162

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EPISODE 161

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Love as a Self-Discovery Strategy with Jesse Hernandez

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EPISODE 160

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Love as an Unconscious Bias Strategy with Amber Ontiveros

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EPISODE 159

07 Feb 2024

Love as a Purpose Strategy with Jonathan Bennett

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EPISODE 158

23 Jan 2024

Love as a Narrative Strategy with Guillaume Wiatr

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EPISODE 157

11 Jan 2024

Love as an Imposter Strategy with Tiffany Houser

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EPISODE 156

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Love as a Self-Awareness Strategy with Joni Goodman

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EPISODE 155

06 Dec 2023

Love as a Core Value Strategy with Jay Steinfeld

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EPISODE 154

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EPISODE 153

09 Nov 2023

Love as an Inspirational Strategy with Ally Stone

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EPISODE 152

26 Oct 2023

Love as a Green Beans and Ice Cream Strategy with Bill Sims Jr.

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EPISODE 151

11 Oct 2023

Love as a Fearless Strategy with Cedric Bertelli

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EPISODE 150

27 Sep 2023

Love as an Adversity Strategy with Robin Osborn

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EPISODE 149

21 Sep 2023

Love as a Human Resources Strategy Strategy with John Baldino

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EPISODE 148

13 Sep 2023

Love as a Purpose-Driven Strategy with Gayle Lantz

In the workplace, love and purpose go hand-in-hand. But what does it mean to be truly purpose-driven? Gayle Lantz specializes in shaping cultures and igniting transformation - and she shares her expertise around finding and understanding purpose within ourselves.

EPISODE 147

07 Sep 2023

Love as a Forgiveness Strategy with Dena Patton

For 22 years, Dena Patton has been coaching and training leaders on her world-class Greatness Methodology. She joins the show in this episode to dive into one of the most important (and yet rarely discussed) aspects of leadership: Forgiveness.

EPISODE 146

01 Sep 2023

Love as a Marketing Strategy with Christina Frei

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EPISODE 145

24 Aug 2023

Love as a Faith-focused Strategy with Precious Azuree

Precious Azuree wants you to know that you are worthy, you are intelligent, and you are necessary. She authored “The Faith Focus Formula” to help people unlock their full potential and create a life of purpose, fulfillment, and abundance. In this episode, Precious shares her journey and perspective with us - and connects faith, love, and business together.

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EPISODE 144

16 Aug 2023

Love as an Indigenous Tech Strategy with Jeff Ward

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EPISODE 143

10 Aug 2023

Love as an Equal Opportunity Strategy with Marina Guerra

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EPISODE 142

02 Aug 2023

Love as a Success Strategy with Bessi Graham

Bessi Graham specializes in a very important concept: Bringing “doing good” and “making money” together. In this day and age, where greed and profit drive so much of our decision-making process, Bessi helps us understand what real success could look like - and how doing good is at the center of it.

EPISODE 141

27 Jul 2023

Love as a Career Development Strategy with Beth Ridley

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EPISODE 140

19 Jul 2023

Love as a Non-Negotiable Strategy with Paul ter Wal

Joining us from the Netherlands, Paul ter Wal shares with us his concept of “Non-Negotiables” in the workplace - and why our individual core values are the key to passionate, creative, and engaged employees.

EPISODE 139

14 Jul 2023

Love as an Authentic Leader Strategy with Candice Hung

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EPISODE 138

05 Jul 2023

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EPISODE 137

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EPISODE 136

21 Jun 2023

Love as a Psychological Safety Strategy with Janine Hamner Holman

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EPISODE 135

07 Jun 2023

Love as a Time Management Strategy with Miriam Meima

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EPISODE 134

25 May 2023

Love as an Ego Management Strategy with Christie Garcia

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EPISODE 133

10 May 2023

Love as a Generational Strategy with Lata Hamilton

While the generation you were born into doesn’t completely define you as a person, today’s workplace has shown some undeniable trends in how different people from different generations interact. Lata Hamilton is a Change Leadership and Confidence expert, and her experience in working with teams across global transformations has taught her a thing or two about the trends and gaps in workplace generations.

EPISODE 132

29 Apr 2023

Love as a Possibility Strategy with Darrin Tulley

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EPISODE 131

19 Apr 2023

Love as a Generosity Strategy with Sarah Fontenot

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EPISODE 130

12 Apr 2023

Love as a Purposeful Growth Strategy with Mark Mears

Best-selling author Mark Mears is no stranger to building and growing people and teams in business. After a whole career helping major brands and companies build innovation and value, he now channels his experience and knowledge into helping people fulfill their true growth potential while making a positive, lasting difference in the world. Listen in as he explains how you can find and fulfill your purpose.

EPISODE 129

05 Apr 2023

Love as a Local Government Strategy with Paulina Valero

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EPISODE 128

29 Mar 2023

Love as a Leadership Strategy with Diane Maben

Diane Maben is the Chief Operating Officer at Amegy Bank. As a self-made leader, she’s learned and developed her style as a leader through her years of experience. In this episode, she shares her story, her journey, and her philosophy, and gives insights on how she leads her team to success.

EPISODE 127

23 Mar 2023

Love as a Financial Industry Strategy with Kasia Siwosz

As a former professional tennis player turned investment banker and entrepreneur. Her experience in professional sports has actually played a huge role in her understanding of how the financial industry needs to evolve today. She shares her unique story and perspective in this episode.

EPISODE 126

15 Mar 2023

Love as an Honesty Strategy with Steven Gaffney

You might think that “honesty” is a pretty simple and straightforward concept, but in practice, true and genuine honesty might look a little different from what you’d expect. Steven Gaffney has been helping leaders and teams build high-achieving teams for over 25 years, and in this episode, he shares his powerful approach and philosophy with us.

EPISODE 125

08 Mar 2023

Love as a Belonging Strategy with Paul Haury

What is the difference between “feeling a sense” of belonging, and actual belonging? This is a must-listen episode with Paul Haury, who is an executive coach that specializes in belonging. Paul shares an incredible mind-expanding perspective on what belonging is, and what it looks like when it’s truly practiced.

EPISODE 124

01 Mar 2023

Love as a Safety Strategy with Nat Beuse (Aurora Tech)

Nat Beuse is the Vice President of Safety at Aurora, a self-driving vehicle technology company. Most people understand the importance and priority of safety, but not everyone goes about it the same way. In this episode, Nat shares his mindset and approach towards safety, and helps illuminate the role that culture plays in being successful.

EPISODE 123

22 Feb 2023

Love as a Profit Strategy with Samantha Varner

Somehow, when we talk about love in business, it’s always placed directly opposite of profit. And yet, profit is why we get into business to begin with - without profit, why do business at all? Sam Varner helps us connect the dots, and understand how love and profit go hand-in-hand.

EPISODE 122

15 Feb 2023

Love as a Breakthrough Leadership Team Strategy with Mike Goldman

How do you build a great company, or develop a great team? How do you build a resilient culture? Mike Goldman says it starts with what he calls a “Breakthrough Leadership Team”. He coaches leadership teams to become stronger, leading to great things for the company. In this episode, he shares incredible insights on how to start thinking and building towards a Breakthrough Leadership Team. Spoiler alert: Love has something to do with it. Find his free course here.

EPISODE 121

01 Feb 2023

Love as a Human Connection Strategy with Nanci Appleman Vassil

Nanci Appleman-Vassil joins the show to share from her 25+ years of experience in training, consulting, coaching, and developing high-performing teams. This episode is filled to the brim with her take on our favorite topics: From self-awareness and mindsets, to vulnerability, trust, and feedback. There are a lot of insights and takeaways here, as she helps break down what human connection really looks like in the workplace.

EPISODE 120

25 Jan 2023

Love as a Lovescaping Strategy

Irene and Debbie are on a mission. As much as we talk about Love on the podcast, we rarely get a chance to discuss exactly how and where we learn to love. With Lovescaping, Irene and Debbie have set out to bring learning and practicing love to the education system. With an educational framework that’s been successfully incorporated into schools, they walk us through exactly how we can put love into action.

EPISODE 119

18 Jan 2023

Love as a Business Strategy with Room 3

This week, we sit down with Ed Cuervo and AJ Ferrer, who followed their heart and passion to create their own creative production company, Room 3. Their story gives a great example of how Love as a Business Strategy can be grown naturally when people come together with purpose.

EPISODE 118

11 Jan 2023

Defining Love with Marty Levine

We’re back in the new year, and it’s a great time for us to reset, reflect, and redefine. It’s the perfect time to speak with Marty Levine, who shares some truly interesting ways to define (and redefine) LOVE.

EPISODE 117

21 Dec 2022

Love as a Performance Review Strategy with Noah Pusey

Noah Pusey wants to do away with something that plagues almost all of us: The annual review. Nobody likes to give them, nobody likes to receive them, and it doesn’t actually make anyone better. He started Ripple Analytics to fix this problem. What makes the annual review such a bane to workplace culture? Is there a better way to go about it? Noah thinks so. In this episode he shares his approach to a more timely and effective way to do reviews at w

EPISODE 116

14 Dec 2022

Love as a Law Enforcement Strategy with Chief Jack Cauley

Chief Jack Cauley is a pioneer in the Law Enforcement industry - with his One-By-One Policing philosophy, which promotes building a safe and secure environment for officers and staff so they are better equipped to serve each person they encounter individually. His police department in Castle Rock puts a focus on compassion and treating others like family, and he’s hoping to spread this culture to more and more departments across the nation. He joins us on the podcast to share his story, and why he believes Love should be a Law Enforcement Strategy.

EPISODE 115

07 Dec 2022

Love as a Partnership Strategy with Anthony Marinos

Chris is back on the podcast, and he gets a chance to catch up with his old friend, Anthony Marinos. Anthony leads business development and creator relationships at charity: water and knows a thing or two about forming strong partnerships in business. While the banter here is lighthearted, the lesson is very serious: You can’t build partnerships without forming real relationships.

Be sure to check out all the amazing ways they’re changing the world at: https://www.charitywater.org/

EPISODE 114

30 Nov 2022

Love as a Wall Street Strategy with Wais Achikzad

We sit with Wais Achikzad to discuss leadership, actual experiences and how our world today more than ever needs humanity in the workplace and in general.

EPISODE 113

23 Nov 2022

Love as a Mentorship Strategy with Debbie Richards

By any measure, Debbie Richards has achieved amazing growth throughout her successful career. But what sets her apart from others is her fierce passion for coaching, mentoring, and talent development. She’s someone who puts so much of her own time and energy into others, and has done so for a very long time - we get to sit down with her and find out why she does it, how she does it, and where love comes into the equation.

EPISODE 112

16 Nov 2022

Love as a Business Strategy with Austin Habitat for Humanity

As the CEO of Austin Habitat for Humanity, Phyllis Snodgrass has been been putting her heart into her work for her entire career. She sits down with us today to talk about what Love looks like in her leadership, in Austin Habitat for Humanity, and for non-profit businesses in general. She talks about the importance of relationships and how it connects to success and business results.

EPISODE 111

02 Nov 2022

Love as a Digital Era Strategy with Isabella Wang

In this episode, we sit down with the author of “The Digital Mind of Tomorrow”, Isabella Wang. As we all continue to push forward through digital transformation, what does it look like to incorporate love and business? Isabella shares her insights and more.

Find your copy of her book on Amazon.

EPISODE 110

19 Oct 2022

Love as a 5-star recruiting strategy with Danielle Mulvey

Danielle Mulvey is the pioneer of unique way of recruiting in business - something she calls the 5-star employee rating system. Her method is tried and true, and she’s got proven results - but of course we invite her on the show to ask: What role does LOVE play in finding a 5-star employee?

EPISODE 109

12 Oct 2022

Love as a Business Strategy with Ripple

While still in school, Joe Knopp decided to start a business that would make a real difference in the world. In this episode, he joins us to share his amazing journey, what drives him, and how he sees LOVE play out in his business. Find out more about his incredible business here.

EPISODE 108

05 Oct 2022

Love as an Entrepreneur Strategy with Paul Baron

Paul Baron has done it all. Having started numerous successful businesses throughout his career, from software to retail to restaurants, he joins us for a deep dive into what he’s learned as a serial entrepreneur. So we have to ask: What role does LOVE play in entrepreneurship?

EPISODE 107

28 Sep 2022

Love as a Business Strategy with Maura Barclay

Maura Barclay has spent over a decade consulting and training on business cultures. She is passionate about helping people find their fit, and where they belong. In this episode, we share a profound conversation around what love as a business strategy really looks like.

EPISODE 106

21 Sep 2022

Love as a Recruitment Strategy with Michael Yinger

Michael Yinger has been in the business of talent acquisition for over 20 years, so it’s safe to say he knows a thing or two about humans in the workplace. So we ask the million-dollar question: “What role does LOVE play in recruitment and talent acquisition?” Michael fills this entire episode with great nuggets of wisdom that will change the way you see things.

EPISODE 105

14 Sep 2022

Love as an ESG Strategy with Ighosime Oyofo

What is ESG? Why is it important? How is it practiced? How is it measured? Ighosime Oyofo works to bring sustainable capital market solutions to less-utilized markets in Africa, and he shares his expertise in investment banking, finance, and all things ESG in this episode.

EPISODE 104

07 Sep 2022

Love as a Well-Being Strategy with Jessica Grossmeier

What is "well-being" and how do we ensure that our workplaces are accounting for it? Jessica Grossmeier has done the research, and in this episode, she shares what works and what doesn't.

EPISODE 103

29 Aug 2022

Love as a Trust Strategy with Dr. Mike Armour

Throughout his storied career, Dr. Mike Armour gained a lot of wisdom and insight about what it takes to be successful in business. In this episode, he shares some of his stories and lessons - dropping gems of wisdom centered around what trust looks like in the workplace.

EPISODE 102

28 Jul 2022

Love as a Forgiveness Strategy with Vani Rao

In this episode, we are joined by Vani Rao, Executive Coach to talk about heart-centred forgiveness.

Vani shares real stories from a place of vulnerability you can relate to at the workplace and in life and practical tips on how forgiveness can become a regular practice towards empowerment when it's done with love.

EPISODE 101

21 Jul 2022

Love as a Digital Empathy Strategy with McKenna Sweazey

In this episode, we are joined by McKenna Sweazey, Author & Marketer to talk about an interesting topic — Digital Empathy!

McKenna dives into some quick tips that allow for a balanced consideration of feelings in conversations and decisions that create positive outcomes. Listen in!

EPISODE 100

13 Jul 2022

Love as a Disability Inclusion Strategy with Hugh Breland

In this episode, we are joined by Hugh Breland, CEO of U&I to talk about Disability Inclusion in the corporate world. We look at how LOVE can be a game-changer in bridging gaps that lead to better outcomes across humanity—including business. Listen in to learn how you can be a catalyst of change.

EPISODE 99

09 Jul 2022

Love as a Sustainability Strategy with Manuel Vexler

In this episode, we are joined by Manuel Vexler, Executive Director of the Actionable Knowledge Foundational Institute on a discussion about including the human factor, sustainability and resilience into the profitability equation.

EPISODE 98

30 Jun 2022

Love as a Leadership Strategy with Janine Bensouda

In this episode, we are joined by Janine Bensouda, the Founder and Managing Director of Bensouda Consulting. She talks with us about her framework of how to Lead with Love and we hold it against our framework here at Love as a Business Strategy. We love encountering people out there doing things similar to us, so you won't want to miss this discussion!

EPISODE 97

22 Jun 2022

Love as a Connection Strategy with Matthew Woodward

Can love be a strategy in the world of teaching? Find out on this interesting episode with Matthew Woodward, Choir Director at MacArthur HS as he shows us how connection, love, and respect create a solid foundation for their success as a choir.

EPISODE 96

08 Jun 2022

Love as a Business Strategy with Evolv Consulting

In this episode we talk to Eric Neef, Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer at Evolv Consulting Consulting on some of the ways to practice and adopt and apply the culture within a company.

EPISODE 95

01 Jun 2022

Love as a Leadership Strategy with Brittany Heflin

In this episode we talk to Leadership Coach, Consultant and Enthusiast at Boston Consulting Group, Brittany Heflin on the heart of leadership. We dig deep into how empathy helps strike the right balance between intent and impact . Join us!

EPISODE 94

25 May 2022

Love as an Inclusion Strategy with Kristin Ekkens

A lot of companies find that their Diversity, Equity and Inclusion efforts fail. Kristin Ekkens, the CEO of Exponential Inclusion, is an expert that helps leaders figure out how to create more inclusive cultures that will last. She focuses not on the task-oriented aspects, but the impact that efforts will make. Check this one out for some really helpful tips!

EPISODE 93

18 May 2022

Love as an Asynchronous Strategy with Liam Martin

Whether we like it or not, the workplace is shifting. Remote work environments are becoming more and more common creating a need for asynchronous management. Liam Martin is the author of _Running Remote_ and an expert at managing teams without actually being with them. Check it out!

EPISODE 92

11 May 2022

Love as a Sales Strategy with Jason Marc Campbell

To some, Sales is a nasty word with a bad reputation. But our guest this week, Jason Marc Campbell, is determined to bring humanity back to the selling process. He talks with us about how caring for your buyer will lead to a more fulfilling career and better business outcomes.

EPISODE 91

04 May 2022

Love as a Faith Strategy with Mushfique Shams Billah

Surprisingly, there are still topics that feel taboo in the workplace. Religion is one of them. Mushfique Shams Billah is an attorney that specializes in Islamic finance and a practicing Muslim. He opens up to us about how he is able to bring his full self to work and the importance of inclusion. You won't want to miss this episode where we explore ESG, ethical finance, the workplace and boardrooms.

EPISODE 90

27 Apr 2022

Love as a Business Strategy with Charity Water

We often get asked about what Love as a Business Strategy means and people will mistake it for businesses that are not-for-profit. Today, we actually get to sit down with Ben Greene, Chief Development Officer at Charity: Water to talk about not only bringing humanity back to the workplace, but bringing humanity back to the world.

We have set up a unique donation link in partnership with Charity: Water for this episode. If you would like to donate to their cause, you can do so here: charitywater.org/LAABS

EPISODE 89

20 Apr 2022

Love as an Inspiration Strategy with Tony Martignetti

This week we are joined by Tony Martignetti, Chief Inspiration Officer of Inspired Purpose Coaching to talk about (you guessed it) inspiration! How do we stay inspired in our careers and how do we inspire others? Check it out now!

EPISODE 88

13 Apr 2022

Love as a Recruiting Strategy with Casey Hasten

Like it or not, we are living in a candidate's market when it comes to hiring and recruiting. Casey Hasten is a seasoned recruiter and talks to us about how she seeks first to love her candidates so that they can find their dream job.

EPISODE 87

06 Apr 2022

Love as a Networking Strategy with Frank Agin

To expert networker, Frank Agin, networking and leadership are closely related. We have a fun conversation this week about how success as a leader and success as a networker both come down to one thing: serving others. Check it out!

EPISODE 86

30 Mar 2022

Love as a Spiritual Strategy with Mark Silver

This week we turn our philosophy of 'Love as a Business Strategy' on its head and discuss what 'Business as a Love Strategy' would look like. Business healer, Mark Silver, gets vulnerable with us about how having a spiritual practice has not only benefited him, but many other business leaders.

EPISODE 85

23 Mar 2022

This week we are joined by Dr. Trish Berg, a professor at Heidelberg University and author with a rich career in business. We dive into the topic of resilience and try to understand what makes a company and an individual truly resilient. You won't want to miss this one.

EPISODE 84

18 Mar 2022

Love as a Gig Worker Strategy with Trevor Theunissen

We're always talking about love as a business strategy in terms of the "standard workplace", but this week's guest brings a totally different perspective. Trevor Theunissen discusses with us the impact that love can have on the countless people in the gig economy based on his experience at Shipt and Uber.

EPISODE 83

10 Mar 2022

LAABS Bookclub: Chapter One

This week, we take you behind the scenes of Chapter One from our Wall Street Journal bestselling book, Love as a Business Strategy. Maggie and Chris go over their little episode on vulnerability. Tune in!

EPISODE 82

03 Mar 2022

Love as a STEM Strategy with Suna Lumeh

This week we are joined by Suna Lumeh, the co-founder and scientist at Aja Labs. We discuss how love is incorporated, or not, in the world of research and development. You won't want to miss this one.

EPISODE 81

23 Feb 2022

Love as a Dramatic Strategy with Katie McLaughlin

This week, we are joined by Katie McLaughlin, the creator of the McLaughlin Method, to talk to us about her unique approach to executive coaching. Katie uses her background in theatre and acting to build empathy and emotional intelligence within organizations. We think you're going to enjoy this one.

EPISODE 80

16 Feb 2022

Love as a Great Strategy with Audrey Lloyd

This week we are joined by Audrey D. Lloyd, a transformation expert and author. We get to talk about her upcoming book and dissect the question 'what are you great at?' in order to increase engagement in the workplace. We hope you enjoy!

EPISODE 79

10 Feb 2022

LAABS Bookclub The Foreword

Join us for a new series that we're kicking off called LAABS Bookclub where we deep dive into every chapter of our Wall Street Journal bestselling book, Love as a Business Strategy. We go behind the scenes into what inspired each chapter and offer never-before-heard insights and stories that you won't want to miss.

EPISODE 78

02 Feb 2022

Love as a Middle Management Strategy

This week we are joined by our own Maggie McClurkin and Chelsie Atkinson. They join us in a conversation around what culture looks like from the perspective of middle management and what unique challenges that come with these types of roles. It's a conversation that gets deep real fast, so you won't want to miss it.

EPISODE 77

27 Jan 2022

Love as a Compassion Strategy with Gissele and David Taraba

We always love getting to talk with people who are working alongside us to bring humanity back to the workplace. Gissele and David Taraba are co-owners of the Maitri Centre for Love and Compassion. They bring the concept of compassion to the equation along with some insights that you won't want to miss.

EPISODE 76

19 Jan 2022

Love as an Inclusion Strategy with Gena Cox

This week's guest is Gena Cox, an organizational psychologist and executive coach. She brings her wisdom to a very insightful conversation we had around leadership, inclusion, and organizational culture in today's workplace. Her stories are extremely applicable and her expertise is undeniable.

EPISODE 75

12 Jan 2022

Love as a Psychological Safety Strategy with Mehmet Baha

If you've been looking for a deep dive on psychological safety, then look no further. We were joined by Mehmet Baha who has trained hundreds of leaders across the globe on the importance of psychological safety. Take a listen in order to gain some practical tips that you can apply to yourself and your teams

EPISODE 74

05 Jan 2022

Love as an Emotional Intelligence Strategy with Stephen Barth

This week we are joined by Stephen Barth, a professor, lawyer, and founder of HospitalityLawyer.com who shares some incredible insights with us from his over 30 years of teaching leadership. He breaks down with us why emotional intelligence in the workplace is so important, and we promise you, you'll want to take notes.

EPISODE 73

29 Dec 2021

Love as an Empowerment Strategy with Adette C. Contreras

Today's episode is a conversation with Adette C. Contreras, a CEO and entrepreneur who runs two companies at once. We dig into the conversation of culture in her roles and, specifically, what genuine empowerment looks like within both of her organizations. This is a particularly great listen if you work in a service-based industry. We hope you enjoy!

EPISODE 72

22 Dec 2021

Love as a Women in Leadership Strategy with Johanna Pagonis

Johanna Pagonis is the Founder and CEO of Sinogap Solutions. She is a podcaster, author, and entrepreneur and she joins us today to discuss an important topic: women in the workplace and women in leadership. Johanna is passionate about helping people understand the number of challenges that women face every day in the corporate world. We hope you enjoy this important discussion as much as we did.

EPISODE 71

15 Dec 2021

Love as a Reliability Strategy with James Kovacevic

When we say that we believe in bringing humanity back to the workplace, we mean to any and all workplaces. Today's guest, James Kovacevic, is an expert in maintenance and reliability in the world of manufacturing. In this week's episode, we have a conversation about what love in the workplace looks like from his lens.

EPISODE 70

08 Dec 2021

Love as a Change Strategy with Loubna Noureddin

Today's episode is focused on change and how to create sustainable change that sticks. We invited Loubna Noureddin, an expert in change, to share her wisdom from living through two civil wars and working within healthcare systems.

EPISODE 69

01 Dec 2021

Love as an Unstuck Strategy with Jon Dwoskin

If you've ever felt stuck in your business or leadership, today's episode is for you. Jon Dwoskin is a business coach who helps leaders get unstuck and grow their business. We ask him what role love plays into that equation.

EPISODE 68

17 Nov 2021

Love as an Adversity Strategy with Dustin DeVries

Dustin DeVries is a business owner who went through a life-changing event that put his business and its people to the test. In this episode, Dustin shares his personal struggle through that adversity and how it shaped the way he leads his business.

EPISODE 67

10 Nov 2021

Love as an Authentic Strategy with Michael Seaver

This week we are joined by Michael Seaver, an award-winning executive coach, leadership consultant, speaker, and author. Just like us, he is working tirelessly to bring humanity back to the workplace through his own data-backed methodology. Check out this episode and find out why we felt like a match made in heaven.

EPISODE 66

03 Nov 2021

Love as a Business Strategy with SHR

In this unique episode, Chris has a reunion with one of his old bosses, Rod Jiminez, who is the CEO of SHR. Rod showed Chris early on in his career what love as a business strategy could look like. Join us as we go on this walk down memory lane.

EPISODE 65

27 Oct 2021

Love as an Authentic Leadership Strategy

This week, we are joined by Roxanne Derhodge, a registered psychotherapist and corporate consultant that specializes in helping senior leaders develop authentic leadership. We get the opportunity to dig into our own personal questions and Roxanne shares her wisdom with us. You won't want to miss this one.

EPISODE 64

13 Oct 2021

How to Be Inclusive in the Hiring Process

We get to sit down with our very own, Chris Pitre, this week to grill him on a question that is plaguing many of us today: how can we be more inclusive in the hiring process? Chris shares with us his insights on how the recruitment process is where to start.

EPISODE 63

06 Oct 2021

Love as a Business Strategy with Jet Dental

This week we are joined by CEO and Co-Founder of Jet Dental, Jordan Smith. Jet Dental is an incredibly unique business that does pop-up dental offices for workplaces. Even more interesting is the values and culture that drive the business forward.

EPISODE 62

29 Sep 2021

It Doesn't Have to Be Lonely at the Top

We've all heard the truth that the higher up you go in a company, the lonelier it gets; but it doesn't have to be that way. We discuss how to avoid finding yourself lonely at the top in this week's episode.

EPISODE 61

22 Sep 2021

Love as a Remarkable Strategy

Denise Cooper specializes in executive coaching and leadership training. In this week's episode she shares some relatable stories with us around the realities of trust in the workplace, what it means to be human, how to look at your own values, and the topic of redemption. Buckle up and enjoy the show.

EPISODE 60

08 Sep 2021

Love as a Work-Life Balance Strategy

If you've ever used the term "work-life balance", this episode is for you. At Softway, we believe in something a little different. In this episode we break down the concept of work-life integration and why it is necessary to building a healthy workplace culture.

EPISODE 59

01 Sep 2021

Love as a Recruitment Strategy

Today we get a chance to sit down with Alka who works with us in our Bangalore office. We have a raw and honest conversation with her about the realities of HR and recruitment not only in our own company, but for all businesses alike.

EPISODE 58

25 Aug 2021

Love as a Tough Strategy

In today's episode we sit down with founder of WGNinHR Consulting, Joanne Rencher where she shares her experience with coaching executive leaders. We dig into what works and what doesn't work and, as always, test our hypothesis of love against what she's seen.

EPISODE 57

18 Aug 2021

Love as a Change Management Strategy

In today's episode, we get to pick the brain of an organizational change management expert, Harlan Hammack. We discuss what it really takes to have a successful culture change initiative inside of your organization. We hope you enjoy it as much as we did.

EPISODE 56

04 Aug 2021

Love as a DEI Strategy

It's been over a year since businesses all over the world shifted their attention to address diversity, equity, and inclusion issues more seriously than ever before. But the question is, have things really changed? We discuss this and the reality of DEI in the workplace today in this week's episode.

EPISODE 55

28 Jul 2021

Love as a Remote Work Strategy

In today's episode, we come together to take an honest look at the state of the workplace in a somewhat post-pandemic world. With job resignations at an all-time high, we wanted to break it down and share our different perspectives on how businesses and business leaders should be adapting. You won't want to miss it.

EPISODE 54

21 Jul 2021

Love as an Advocacy Strategy

This week we are joined by Katharine English, a leader at Google Cloud. We have some insightful and important conversations around women in tech, inclusion in the workplace, and how DEI should be addressed today. We hope you enjoy it as much as we did.

EPISODE 53

14 Jul 2021

Love as a Travel Strategy

This week we are joined by Olga and Ivan, founders of the travel company YouTravel.me. They share their story of how a really bad travel experience led to the realization that travel requires empathy and how the love of exploration can bring people together. Check it out now.

EPISODE 52

07 Jul 2021

Love as an Empathetic Healthcare Strategy

This week we sit down with Soojin Jun. She shares a powerful story of personal loss and her deep desire to bring empathy back to every component of healthcare.

EPISODE 51

30 Jun 2021

Love as a Legacy Strategy

This is an episode we have been excited about releasing for a long time. We are joined by Dr. Esmaeil Porsa, the CEO of Harris Health System in Harris County, Texas. He vulnerably discusses with us the legacy of love that he hopes to leave behind in his organization and how he tries to practice love every day.

EPISODE 50

23 Jun 2021

LAABS: Remember the Seneca Pilot?

This week we're joined by two of Softway's Associate Directors who were a part of the inception of our leadership transformation experience, Seneca Leaders. We dig deep into some of our biggest learnings from that time and discuss what real empowerment looks like.

EPISODE 49

16 Jun 2021

LAABS: Remember When Frank Missed That Meeting?

This week we take a trip down Softway's memory lane to discuss an incident that played out, have some fun with it, talk about how that what that meant to us in terms of, of culture, our learnings and our personal growth.

EPISODE 48

09 Jun 2021

Love as a Diversity and Inclusion Strategy with JeVon McCormick

We’re back again this week with a crowd favorite: CEO of Scribe Media, JeVon McCormick. This week, we really dive into diversity and inclusion in the corporate workplace. We talk about what it is and what it isn’t as well as what it helpful and hurtful in business. You won’t want to miss this one.

EPISODE 47

02 Jun 2021

Love as a Business Strategy with Southwest Airlines

In this week’s episode, we sit down with Former Managing Director of Culture at Southwest Airlines, Cheryl Hughey. We had an incredible conversation about how love permeates every facet of business at Southwest and how it has become their competitive advantage.

EPISODE 46

26 May 2021

Love as a Happy Teams Strategy

Owner and Lead Teams Coach of Happy Teams, Catrina Ballard, joined us this week to talk about all things culture. Catrina has vast experience in coaching leaders and entrepreneurs on how to build effective teams. This episode felt like a bunch of old friends gathering around for a chat. We hope you enjoy it as much as we did.

EPISODE 45

19 May 2021

Love as a Left-Brained Strategy

This week Dr. Andrew Kim, upcoming author and CEO of Culture 'n Strategy, joins us to share his journey on improving culture from a left brain. He turned his journey into a strategy for other leaders who understand and value logic, especially in a landscape that centers on emotion, behavior, and non-linear processes. "Love as a Left-Brained Strategy" gives a good look into how to change culture for those who lean on logic first to solve business problems.

Find out more about about our show and check out other episodes, transcripts, newsletters, and more at https://www.softway.com/laabs.

EPISODE 44

12 May 2021

Love as a Teaching Strategy

Ever heard the phrase "love is the best motivator"? Our guest this week, Mike Yates, has found this to be true first-hand with his experience in education. His philosophy is to get kids to love school and then the rest will take care of itself. 'Love as a Teaching Strategy' may be about school, but we'll guarantee you will find insights for your business. Take a listen now!

Find out more about about our show and check out other episodes, transcripts, newsletters, and more at https://www.softway.com/laabs.

EPISODE 43

04 May 2021

Love as a Culture Building Strategy

This week we had the privilege of sitting down with James Walker, SVP, Digital Innovation Practice Lead in Weber Shandwick’s Washington, D.C. office and have a conversation about culture and the internal side of things. We were able to dig deep on topics of how a leadership team thinks of their employees, in terms of goals, platforms and outcomes. We hope that you enjoy this episode!

EPISODE 42

27 Apr 2021

Love as a Business Strategy: The Book

Writing a book has been a dream of ours for many years, and we can't believe that we can finally say it has come to fruition. Join us as we discuss and celebrate our new book Love as a Business Strategy: Resilience, Belonging & Success on the day of its launch and make sure to snag your copy today.

For more information and to purchase the book, visit LoveAsABusinessStrategy.com.

EPISODE 41

20 Apr 2021

Love as a Health Informatics Strategy

This week, we're joined by Siraj Anwar, Sr. Vice President and Chief Health Informatics Officer at Harris Health System as well as Dr. Rod Brace and Dr. Michael Shabot of Relia Healthcare Advisors to discuss the role of informatics in driving leadership behaviors for high reliability. And as always, we dive into what love has to do with all of this.

Find out more about about our show and check out other episodes, transcripts, newsletters, and more at https://www.softway.com/laabs.

EPISODE 40

13 Apr 2021

LAABS: Remember Softway's Darkest Day?

It was 2015 and it was a day we would rather never remember. But in true LAABS form, we are going to talk about it publicly. Journey back with us to the day that could have been the end of our business and culture as we now it.

Find out more about about our show and check out other episodes, transcripts, newsletters, and more at https://www.softway.com/laabs.

EPISODE 39

08 Apr 2021

Love as a Business Strategy with Scribe Media

What do the son of a pimp, a publishing company, and love have to do with each other? Find out in this week's episode where we are joined by President and CEO of Scribe Media, JeVon "JT" McCormick. He gets real with us as we discuss why people always come first in his organization. This episode will leave you wanting more.

Find out more about about our show and check out other episodes, transcripts, newsletters, and more at https://www.softway.com/laabs.

EPISODE 38

30 Mar 2021

LAABS: Remember when Jeff was a bad boss?

Continuing our trip down memory lane, we invited two project managers, Ashley and Erin, onto the show this week to revisit their experience with Jeff as their boss before he started his behavior transformation journey. It’s awkward but it’s good. Take a listen!

Find out more about about our show and check out other episodes, transcripts, newsletters, and more at https://www.softway.com/laabs.

EPISODE 37

26 Mar 2021

LAABS: Remember When That One Email Destroyed Our Culture?

This week, we're kicking off a new series where we all take a trip down memory lane and think back on some of the stories that defined our old culture. Before our transformation, we have moments that we look back on and cringe, and we want to re-live those moments with our listeners. We don't want to give too much away, but this one is about a particular strongly-worded email that Mohammad sent in 2015 (and apparently his CAPS LOCK WAS BROKEN). Take a listen to find out what got him so fired up.

Find out more about about our show and check out other episodes, transcripts, newsletters, and more at https://www.softway.com/laabs.

EPISODE 36

02 Mar 2021

Love as a Behavior Transformation Strategy

The reality is that 70% of culture transformations fail. But why? In this week's episode, we unpack our experiences with leaders and organizations that contribute to failed culture initiatives, and discuss how Softway's products and services bridge the gap and pave the way for real change in your organization.

Find out more about about our show and check out other episodes, transcripts, newsletters, and more at https://www.softway.com/laabs.

EPISODE 35

23 Feb 2021

Love as a Commitment Strategy

While there are a million reasons to invest in your company's people and culture, there are always going to be reasons not to. This week, we dig into some of the common excuses we commonly hear about why business leaders choose not to take on a culture transformation in their organization. This may just be our saltiest episode yet.

Find out more about about our show and check out other episodes, transcripts, newsletters, and more at https://www.softway.com/laabs.

EPISODE 34

16 Feb 2021

Love as an Uncomfortable Strategy

This week we had the privilege of sitting down with Victor Scotti, Chief Inspiration Officer of Moving Mountains LLC and former Google team member, to have a raw conversation about equity and diversity in the workplace. We were able to dig deep on topics of introspection, self efficacy, and opportunity when it comes to race and non-dominant groups. This episode is meant to spark conversation and make you look inward on some of these topics. We hope that you enjoy this episode with an open heart and an open mind.

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EPISODE 33

09 Feb 2021

Love as a System Strategy

Joining us this week is author and consultant, Dan Edds. Dan discusses his research with us on how building a system centered around love, respect, and purpose could be the key to improving a high impact organization's culture and even how it can save lives. From healthcare to the military, Dan has seen how love is the answer to a lot of organization's leadership problems.

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EPISODE 32

02 Feb 2021

Love as a B2E Strategy

You've heard of B2B and B2C, but you've probably never heard of B2E or Business to Employee. At Softway, we create solutions that are employee-first in order to build more resilient workforces and higher performing organizations. In this week's episode, we outline why a B2E solution may just be what your company needs in order to succeed.

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EPISODE 31

26 Jan 2021

Love as a Business Strategy with JMMB Group

This week, we have the Chief Marketing Officer of the JMMB Group, Kerry-Ann Stimpson, joining us to explain how love can be evident in the most unlikely of places: the banking industry. JMMB Group was founded on love and is still practiced daily with their employees, clients, and shareholders. Listen now to this deep dive on the JMMB Group and all that they're doing to spread the love.

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EPISODE 30

12 Jan 2021

Love as an Empathy Strategy

Empathy is at the center of everything we talk about at Love as a Business Strategy. If you don’t have empathy for the person sitting next to you at work, you are potentially missing out on untapped potential and innovation. In this episode, we explore what true empathy looks like in the workplace and why you should start practicing it now.

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EPISODE 29

05 Jan 2021

Love as a Forgiveness Strategy

Why is it important to learn about forgiveness in the workplace? Because it is one of the most important things about our humanity. Unforgiveness in business can lead to inefficiencies, lack of innovation, and profit loss. In this week's episode, we unpack why unforgiveness is the silent killer in an organization's culture.

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EPISODE 28

22 Dec 2020

Love as a Humanizing Initiative Part 3

This week, we are joined again by the Humanizing Initiative to continue our conversation around humanistic leadership. We discuss the process of unlearning and relearning together as we examine how we can bring humanity back to the workplace.

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EPISODE 27

15 Dec 2020

Love as a Humanizing Initiative Part 2

This week, we are joined again by the Humanizing Initiative to continue our conversation around humanistic leadership. We use this episode to examine the problem statement that many businesses are facing: why is what we're learning wrong?

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EPISODE 26

08 Dec 2020

Love as a Public Health Strategy

Communities are what build up our society, and a strong community is built by looking out for the person next to you. In this week's episode, we talk with Alisa Howard, a public health servant leader, to discuss trust and love within a community. Think this doesn't apply to business? Think again.

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EPISODE 25

01 Dec 2020

Love as a Nice Strategy

This week, we were joined by Marc Effron, best-selling author and founder of the Talent Strategy Group to talk about why "nice" cultures are not good for your business. Sometimes love means saying the tough things to your teammates, and that is often the nicest thing you can do for someone.

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EPISODE 24

24 Nov 2020

Love as an Internship Strategy

In this week's episode, we are joined by Katherine Taylor, Executive Director of Genesys Works Houston, to talk about what love and inclusion have to do with corporate internships. We discuss equity of opportunity, the power of a network, and how major corporations are actually benefitting more from their interns than the interns are from them.

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EPISODE 23

17 Nov 2020

Love as a Growth Strategy

This week, we are joined by best-selling author of "Banking on Digital Growth" James Robert Lay to talk about what successful growth looks like within an organization. Why do processes and technologies often fail and why might being purpose-driven be the answer? Find out the answers to these questions now.

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EPISODE 22

10 Nov 2020

Love as a Humanizing Initiative

This week, we're kicking off an exciting collaborative series with The Humanizing Initiative. Their goal is to humanize leaders and organizations in order to cultivate humanistic leadership. In our first episode of this series, we meet the four co-founders and really dive into why The Humanizing Initiative exists.

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EPISODE 21

03 Nov 2020

Love as a Trust Strategy

In this week's episode, we're talking about the elephant in the room: trust. Without it, you will never be able to have a high-performing team, but how do you build trust amongst your co-workers? We answer this question and discuss our experiences with vulnerability-based trust in 'Love as a Trust Strategy'.

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EPISODE 20

27 Oct 2020

Love as a Vulnerability Strategy

Vulnerability is scary, but in the workplace, it's often unheard of. In this episode, we unpack how being vulnerable with your teams will unlock potential and also foster humanity within your organization.

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EPISODE 19

20 Oct 2020

Love as a Healthcare Strategy

Over the past several months, we've seen a resurgence in the need for patient care and well-being with the COVID-19 pandemic sweeping the globe. Dr. Rod Brace, former hospital CEO and founding partner of Relia Healthcare Advisors, joins us to talk about what it takes to create a high-reliability culture.

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EPISODE 18

13 Oct 2020

Love as an Empowerment Strategy

Are you constantly wishing that you had more time in your day? Do you feel like the leaders bear the majority of the workload in your organization? This may not be an issue of time management, but a lack of empowerment. How can you lovingly empower your teams so that you are no longer working late nights and weekend - find out in this episode of Love as a Business Strategy.

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EPISODE 17

06 Oct 2020

Love as a Mentorship Strategy

In this episode, we try to get you to think differently about a simple concept. What makes a good mentor? What role should mentorship play in our lives? What’s the right way to mentor someone, or to be mentored? We dive into all of these things, and share about the role that LOVE plays in all of it.

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EPISODE 16

28 Sep 2020

Love as a Platinum Strategy

Have you heard of the “Platinum Rule”? Our guest in this episode, Kandace Cooks, introduced us to this concept. She has devoted her life and career to following the Platinum Rule, and we have an amazing time diving into this concept - and how we might apply it to our lives. And of course, what’s love got to do with it?

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EPISODE 15

22 Sep 2020

Love as a Team Strategy

What makes a team effective? How do you build a winning team? We’ve all heard of “High-performing teams”, but what’s the secret-sauce? In this episode, we talk about how we approach building teams, and we also try something different and get into an awkward debate. In the end, of course, we try to uncover the role that LOVE plays in every great team.

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EPISODE 14

15 Sep 2020

Love as a Sales Strategy

How can we have a business podcast without talking about sales? As it turns out, we used to do sales all wrong - so we take this opportunity to really understand the drastic difference between how we used to approach sales vs. how we now apply a little LOVE to the process.

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EPISODE 13

08 Sep 2020

Love as an Equity Strategy

We hear a lot of buzz around diversity and inclusion nowadays, but equity is not talked about as often. How is equity different? Why is it important? In this episode, we have an amazing conversation with the co-hosts of the Dear White Women Podcast, Sara and Misasha. Their expertise, experience, and perspective really shine a light on the topic of equity.

Check out Sara & Misasha's podcast, Dear White Women, at https://www.dearwhitewomen.com/ and everywhere podcasts can be found.

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EPISODE 12

01 Sep 2020

Love as a Feedback Strategy

Let’s talk about the F word. That’s right… Feedback. Something that everybody needs, but not everybody always wants to hear. Why is giving and receiving feedback so hard sometimes? How do we unlock the true potential and benefit of feedback in our life? Through stories and discussion, we try to figure it out together in today’s episode.

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EPISODE 11

25 Aug 2020

Love as a Survival Strategy

In these unprecedented times, many businesses are just looking to survive. But how does a company survive in today’s climate? What’s it going to take? Is just surviving enough? Does love have any role to play in it? We invite an expert in this field, Jeff Brown, to help us answer these questions. With nearly 30 years of experience in building resilient companies, he walks us through his perspective on what surviving as a business really looks like.

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EPISODE 10

18 Aug 2020

Love as a Coaching Strategy

In this very special episode, we get a chance to chat with Jane Figueiredo—World Champion and Olympic medal-winning diving coach and Yulia Pakhalina—European Champion, World Champion, and 5-time Olympic medal-winning diver. We talk about love as a coaching strategy, and draw parallels between performing at the highest level of athletic competition and succeeding in business.

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EPISODE 9

11 Aug 2020

Love as an Agile Transformation Strategy

Whether you’ve been going Agile for years, or you’re just now starting the transformation - an organization’s journey into Agile is not an easy one. In this episode, we talk about what makes an Agile transformation so difficult and what every business should be focusing on to really make Agile work. Spoiler alert: love might have something to do with it.

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EPISODE 8

31 Jul 2020

Love as a Delicious Strategy

Food is a universal connector of people. Food is at the center of every occasion. Sharing food is akin to sharing a piece of our identity, culture, and affection. When you sit and eat together, and when you eat the same food as others - you grow closer. So how is food connected to business? And what role does Love play in it all? Let's discuss.

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EPISODE 7

24 Jul 2020

Love as an Empathetic Leadership Strategy

How can leaders hold their teams accountable while still maintaining a culture of love? In this episode, we explore what it means to be an Empathetic Leader, and how there’s a very big difference between empathy and sympathy when it comes to the workplace.

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EPISODE 6

17 Jul 2020

Love as an Inclusion Strategy

In this episode, we zoom in on the topic of Inclusion. Specifically, how businesses should be tackling it. D&I is obviously still a hot topic, and many companies are scrambling for actionable results. What’s the right approach to address diversity and inclusion issues in your organization? And of course, where does LOVE fit into the equation? Let’s dive in.

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EPISODE 5

10 Jul 2020

Love as a Technology Strategy

Technology is a part of every modern business, and often an aspect that is approached logically and tactically. So often, it’s made up of zeroes and ones and nothing more. Is there any room for LOVE in something so mechanical? We take on that question and more in this episode!

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EPISODE 4

03 Jul 2020

Love as a Diversity & Inclusion Strategy

Diversity and Inclusion is at the forefront of many business conversation right now. Not everyone is approaching it the same way. We want to explore the different ways to look at and address D&I in a business - and how LOVE changes the equation.

Addressing D&I in your business might look different from what you'd expect!

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EPISODE 3

26 Jun 2020

Love as a Digital Transformation Strategy

In this episode, we talk about digital transformation and what it really looks like for companies to go through. And of course, we ask: What role does LOVE play in a business’s digital transformation strategy?

While many companies are focusing on digital strategy, it’s more than just changing your process and tools. The real transformation centers around how your teams work with each other, and how people behave.

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EPISODE 2

12 Jun 2020

How Business Leaders Can Actually Help Black Employees

In this episode, we speak with Chris Pitre, and ask him to share in-depth about 9 questions that businesses leaders can ask themselves to start identifying constructs, biases, and policies that contribute to the mistreatment and mischaracterization of Black employees in their organization.

The article we are referencing (How Business Leaders Can Actually Help Black Employees) can be found here.

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EPISODE 1

12 Jun 2020

Love as a...business strategy?

In our very first episode, we get together and talk about what "Love" means in a business context.

We introduce the concept, and share what our experience has been in making this applicable to our business.

See the video version here.

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